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Handling failed subscription payments 1 Year, 3 Months ago Karma: 2  
What is the best way to handle fulfilment of a newsletter after a failed autocharge has been successfully processed?

In other words if you have a members who's payment fails you wont send them that months newsletter until they've paid. But once they've paid you want to make sure they get that months newsletter as their account is now up to date.

Any ideas?

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Re:Handling failed subscription payments 1 Year, 2 Months ago Karma: 5  
Dan, how do you currently fulfill on your newsletter?
 
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Re:Handling failed subscription payments 1 Year, 2 Months ago Karma: 2  
Hi Kyle, I do a subscription search for active members and then send a letter with their address mailmerged on it.

Problem is, people could have declined payments and still be active. I've thought about removing these people from the search by having a trigger add them to a 'delinquent member' group and removing this group from the subscription search, but if someone misses the payment the day before I send my newsletter and then pays the day after ives sent it, how do i make sure i know they need their newsletter in an automated way?
 
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Re:Handling failed subscription payments 1 Year, 2 Months ago Karma: 5  
There is an order trigger in Infusionsoft that allows you to run actions on a successful auto-charge given that the previous auto-charge for that invoice was declined. I believe that implementing this in tandem with your idea above would do the trick.

If it were me, however, I would probably just put people into a 'warning' campaign when they decline and give them a period of time to get up to speed on payments before 'turning them off' (also automatic).
 
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Re:Handling failed subscription payments 4 Months ago Karma: 1  
Is there an explanation of how to use triggers that occur when a subscription fails or when it succeeds?
 
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Re:Handling failed subscription payments 3 Months, 4 Weeks ago Karma: 1  
Hi all

Getting into more of the detail...

Can anyone recommend some best practices with the email content and actions setup? I have already read through and copied the setting on page 253 of Bob's user guide.

I would like to know what to write to people, when to send them to get the best results, what the sequence steps are, tagging them hopefully temporarily. What about expired cards, does anyone have any tips for what to send people?

If you don't mind adding me to one of your sequences my email address is laurence.santer@bigfoot.com

Are there any must dos and certainly don'ts that I need to be aware of?

I know this is a lot to ask the community because of the time it has taken you to learn these lessons however I have asked Infusionsoft and they have come up with nothing and I am about to move my in-house built membership site into Infusionsoft managing the member's payments instead.

Surely there are some tutorials or articles out there with some tips..if so could you direct me to them please?

Thank you in anticipation.

Best wishes

Laurence
 
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Re:Handling failed subscription payments 3 Months, 4 Weeks ago Karma: 9  
Laurence,

You're funny...

Trust me, if it were **my** manual, quite a few things would be different in what is otherwise one of the best CRM's around.

That PDF is the official King James version of the Infusionsoft "Bible".

Best,
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Re:Handling failed subscription payments 3 Months, 3 Weeks ago Karma: 5  
Hi Laurence,

We have developed an Infusionsoft add-on membership center (called CustomerHub) that automatically manages both the content protection as well as the ongoing billing management issues (expiring credit cards, declined payments, profile changes) that result naturally from selling a recurring membership product.

Reason I tell you this is not to get you to use the product (although it does sound like a perfect fit for you so go here if you're interested: https://www.infusedsystems.com/products/customerhub - I realize the information is a bit sparse right now which is why we'll be releasing a product-specific website in the next week or so). Rather, I just want to let you know that we have a lot of experience dealing with these matters.

Here is what we recommend to our users:

1. Don't use a follow-up sequence in tandem with your triggers---this will only dilute the process and breed additional confusion and work (i.e. it would require you to build in more triggers to stop the follow-up sequence after a successful payment has been made). Rather, make sure to correctly set your default number of retries and number of days between retries in the order settings, then simply utilize the technology already built into the triggers to follow up with the right message at the right time.

For example:

Trigger 1 for payment failure #1 (day one) - email telling the customer that a payment has failed and, in the case of using CustomerHub, giving them the login information to go ahead and take care of the payment on their own.

Trigger 2 for payment failure #2 (day three) - email telling the customer that the payment has failed multiple times and not been resolved and warning them that they'll be losing membership access/benefits if they do not take care of payment in the next 48 hours.

Trigger 3 payment failure #3 (day five) - email telling the customer that their outstanding balance still has not been resolved and that their membership access has been shut off.

You can and should also set up similar triggers for credit card expiration notices.

For both types of triggers, you can see an example of a few email templates that we give to our CustomerHub users here: http://support.customerhub.net/faqs/resources-2/email_templates (granted these are pretty generic but at least they'll give you a starting point)

2. Automate as much as possible. As you've probably already figured out, handling all of these issues MANUALLY can become a huge chore - especially if you have more than a handful of members .

The good news, as mentioned above, is that the entire process from membership sign up to handling failed payments and expiring credit cards to shutting off membership access or reinstating someone's access can be handled automatically by CustomerHub (that's one of the primary reasons we built the product).

However, even if you don't want to use CustomerHub to store your membership content (or be your membership site), you can still use it to greatly reduce your workload by handling only the collections and billing issues associated with offering a membership.

In summary, here's a link that shows a screenshot of the default recommended order triggers in Infusionsoft (of course you can customize these to your hearts content): http://support.customerhub.net/faqs/setup-tutorials/order_triggers

Good luck and I hope this information was helpful! Let me know if you have any questions about the details.

Best,

Kyle
 
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Re:Handling failed subscription payments 2 Months, 4 Weeks ago Karma: 1  
Hi Kyle

Thanks for your response.

Best wishes

Laurence
 
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